OFF TOPIC Re: broken ISP in china

[Noel Butler]

apparently you have no comprehension of OFF TOPIC


I stopped reading at about the half dozen words because you once again
went off on your OFF TOPIC rants.

But each to our own, you hate it, many stand by it, its only fools like
you who cant accept that, thats your problem not mine.

Given that your reply to this will be even further off topic, I wont be
wasting my precious time with you any further.




On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 01:30 +0000, Vernon Schryver wrote:

> > I see no problem with your SPF IP records though so long as you dont try
> > use ns1. Ignoring most of Vernons anti SPF rhetoric, which  BTW this
> > list is NOT the place for  (go cry a river on mailop list), he is
> > correct that you shouldn't really be using PTR, or A for that mater,
> > just have your ip4: and ip6: ranges, and perhaps "mx" and along with
> > "-all"  you'll be fine, I have no problems with SPF and lists and have
> > been using it since very early days,
> 
> Instead of swallowing the SPF liturgy without chewing, use it and
> what anyone (including me) says as ideas for your own observations
> and tests.  Follow the DMARC instructions on http://www.dmarc.org/
> and get the DMARC reports telling you that your SPF -all prevents
> the delivery of some of your mail to this mailing list.
> 
> Then get Gmail and Hotmail mailboxes, configure Hotmail to forward
> to Gmail and send to Hotmail.  You will see in your DMARC reports
> from Google that your SPF -all causes your message to disappear in
> a blackhole between Gmail and Hotmail.
> 
> See also http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Forwarding and note that neither
> Hotmail forwarding to Gmail nor many mailing lists including this
> list rewrite the sender addresses.  That has generally been considered
> a wrong thing to do since long before pobox.com existed.
> 
> Finally, look at the SPF records for AOL, Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft,
> and ask yourself whether those organizations don't care about SMTP
> forgery or don't believe SPF is an answer.  If they believed, wouldn't
> they use SPF -all?
> 
> >                         I have no problems with SPF and lists and have
> > been using it since very early days,
> 
> Maybe it was easier to ignore reality before DMARC.  On the other
> hand, http://www.openspf.org/FAQ/Forwarding is unambigous about
> the interaction of -all with mailing lists such as this.
> 
> 
> Vernon Schryver    vjs at rhyolite.com
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