Wits end

[Bob Hoffman]

Well, he is cranky for sure. And he was a bit off on what I wrote versus
what I asked about. 
Typing does not convey conversation correctly. One should realize that
before berating others. Also, one should realize that although they do not
mean to berate, it can come off that way.

Someone posting a question is not saying 'hey attack me, call me names, and
take apart the question piece by piece" either.

And as far as 'resolve.conf' being wrong. Well, you can tell by my spelling
errors that I took off the autoformat as the mail program made it 'resove'
instead of 'resolv'

I am pretty sure that anyone reading, excpet the haughty few, would realize
what was intended.

I do not owe either of you anything. I did not welcome nor want to beration
in the emails. But, like on the forums, people misread, mistype, and are
misunderstood.

His crankyness came off to me as trollish and just completely off topic.
But, that is typing for you.

I do not owe any of you anything either. I am wondering why you cannot just
send mails to me personllay, you have to keep sending them to the group.

Lets just call it quits and walk away. I am sure the others are either
getting bored or are spitting out there coffee from laughing at this whole
thread.

Have a good day and a wonderful life.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hawkins, Michael [mailto:MHawkins at tullettprebon.com] 
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:52 PM
> To: Bob Hoffman; Kevin Darcy; bind-users at isc.org
> Subject: RE: Wits end
> 
> Bob,
> 
> Consider this email to be a bomb because if you reply to it, 
> I will not respond.
> 
> Kevin is one of the most helpful individuals I have ever 
> encountered and his patience and dedication while handling 
> pro's through to newbies (such as you) far outstrips yours 
> and my patience summed together.
> 
> Those who speak less and listen more achieve greater success 
> in all aspects of their lives. And I recommend that principle to you.
> 
> No matter how frustrated you may be feeling about your own 
> inadequacy with BIND, you should not take it out on anyone 
> else. It is true that you asked for help. But NO ONE is 
> obliged to help you. Therefore, you cannot criticize any help 
> that you don't like. Just walk away and find someone else who 
> may help you in the way in which you wish the help to be 
> delivered. You have not PAID for a service. You haven't paid 
> a cent to be on this list. So show some respect for the help 
> you're being given.
> 
> Kevin is a brilliant man with thousands of hours of 
> experience with BIND. He basically WROTE it - you nut! I 
> don't care how cranky he is. If you want help you better 
> learn how to be nice about asking for and receiving it.
> 
> You ask for compassion? Well I think Kevin has been more than 
> compassionate. Because if it was me you were dealing with, my 
> compassion for you would have urged me to punch you in the 
> nose - you twerp!
> 
> Mike Hawkins
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bind-users-bounce at isc.org 
> [mailto:bind-users-bounce at isc.org] On Behalf Of Bob Hoffman
> Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 3:08 PM
> To: 'Kevin Darcy'; bind-users at isc.org
> Subject: RE: Wits end
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bind-users-bounce at isc.org
> > [mailto:bind-users-bounce at isc.org] On Behalf Of Kevin Darcy
> > Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 2:29 PM
> > To: bind-users at isc.org
> > Subject: Re: Wits end
> > 
> > Bob,
> > We didn't "blow off" /etc/resolv.conf. Your earlier posts 
> were along 
> > the lines of "I'm trying to learn how to set up a nameserver and to 
> > document the process". /etc/resolv.conf
> > *doesn't*affect* the operation of a nameserver, only the name 
> > resolution of the local host, so it seemed irrelevant to 
> what you were 
> > trying to accomplish.
> 
> My earlier post were along the lines of 'is this list of 
> things what is needed for resolution of my websites and using 
> mail on a server. The list was very explicit with notes. No 
> one said anything about resolv other than I misspelled it in 
> the letter. 
> In the texts it was obvious I am new and seeking a helping 
> hand by anyone who wanted to help. I got a lot of letters 
> berating me instead, though a few tried to help.
> 
> I stated that I wanted to put websites on it and that they in 
> turn need to send emails. Which does require resolv work 
> correctly (I did not know that I think looking back it was 
> pretty obvious.) I did not demand answers, I just asked. I 
> did not appreciate being talked down to by many, and my grief 
> is directed at them.
> 
> 
> > It wasn't until the "Wit's End" post at approximately 5pm 
> yesterday, 
> > that it became clear you even had a specific *problem*. And, even 
> > then, you "anonymized" the contents of /etc/resolv.conf by 
> saying you 
> > had "nameserver xx.xx.xx.xx"
> > in the file. How are we supposed to diagnose "xx.xx.xx.xx"? 
> > Perhaps we should start giving "anonymized" solutions to 
> "anonymized" 
> > problem descriptions, e.g. "change xxx in your named.conf 
> to yyy" and 
> > have the posters *guess* at what we're talking about. Would 
> that work 
> > better?
> 
> As in my earlier, it was listed over and over that no 
> websites are on it and nothing had been set up. I kept 
> talking about the nslookupnot working and that is as far as I 
> got. I think my letters were very detailed. I think some 
> people see what they want and disregard the rest. But there 
> help is always appreciated. But being yelled at is just rude, 
> especially when you are just asking for help.
> 
> 
> 
> > Maybe your next documentation project should be "how to 
> maximize the 
> > effectiveness of getting information from technical mailing lists". 
> > More people need to learn how to do that.
> 
> Or "how to deal with over bearing jerks who do not help but 
> just attack your letters, spelling, grammar, and instead of 
> ignoring something they do not understand they berate you instead".  
> 
> And.... After hiring people who did not or could not do the 
> job you get a bit put off. \
> 
> I suggest reading books for you. One would be "how to read a 
> plea for help from a new person not expecting them to know 
> how to put it in words properly" or "how to bypass a 
> situation where you can make some feel like poop because you 
> know more than they do and can mess with them instead of helping?"
> 
> 
> > In any case, populating /etc/resolv.conf is part of
> > *Operating*System* configuration, not nameserver configuration 
> > _per_se_. A precondition for having a properly-functioning 
> webserver 
> > or nameserver or mail server, or anything that provides a 
> service over 
> > the network to clients, is to have a properly-configured *server*, 
> > OS-wise, including networking capability, so 
> /etc/resolv.conf should 
> > have already been taken care of, long before you installed BIND or 
> > Apache or whatever. How did that step get botched in 
> whatever process 
> > you were following?
> > 
> 
> 
> Resov was actually changed by me if you read the mails. 
> Thinking I was doing it right. Explicityly listed. And since 
> you appear new at reading a full letter before attacking 
> someone with lame insulting demenaor, you may want to reread 
> the letters over the last month or so..the ones that mention 
> 'centos' (which installs, you would be surprised, all sorts 
> of programs in the beginning like apache and all that) Also, 
> you would realize that other than the basic install, DNSbind 
> was the first thing I was tackling.
> 
> If you bothered to read the letters before writing about your 
> superiority and eveyrone else's stupidity, you would have 
> read lines like 'I paid people to set it up for me and they 
> failed'.  So, oh great guru of the internet, as wise as you 
> are, you might not have realized that they changed some files.
> Also, I may have tried to fix those files or alter them back 
> to where I thought they would be. But reading and 
> understanding is not your forte, you would rather dump on me 
> on the internet over and over again.
> 
> Well.....guess you are always right. And your letters were 
> always completely right (of course they had nothing to do 
> with the questions, but they were
> right.)
> 
> You keep on trucking. You are doing a great job, and a 
> compassionate one too.
> 
> Oh, I sent this to the group too, since you seem to want to 
> keep that up.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------
> The information contained in this email is confidential and 
> may also contain privileged information. Sender does not 
> waive confidentiality or legal privilege. If you are not the 
> intended recipient please notify the sender immediately; you 
> should not retain this message or disclose its content to anyone.
> Internet communications are not secure or error free and the 
> sender does not accept any liability for the content of the 
> email. Although emails are routinely screened for viruses, 
> the sender does not accept responsibility for any damage 
> caused. Replies to this email may be monitored.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------------------------------------------
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.
> For more information please visit 
> http://www.messagelabs.com/email 
> ______________________________________________________________
> ________