No more support for windows
Eric Germann
ekgermann at semperen.com
Fri Jun 4 21:31:03 UTC 2021
Call me naive, but I’m trying to figure out what the corner case is to use BIND on Windows.
For an internal network Windows Server already has a name server that integrates with AD and everything else needed to run a Windows network. Support for DDNS is a lot easier, it has tons of SRV records needed for service location, etc. It seems it would be a lot easier to use that for a Windows network than shoehorn everything in to BIND.
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> On Jun 4, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Gregory Sloop <gregs at sloop.net> wrote:
>
> This feels a lot like responding to trolls, but I'll instead assume that you're asking (or making a point) in good faith.
>
> So, we'll stipulate that - you're actually interested in truth and knowledge.
>
> So, it's easily compiled on Mac, Unix, FreeBSD, Linux, SunOS, RaspPi, etc.
> And it compiles on a huge range of hardware, CPU's etc.
>
> I'd consider that highly portable.
>
> You're welcome to disagree, but then someone else will complain it's not available in Amiga, Atari and under Dos and complain it isn't "portable" because there's no dos version.
>
> So how many platforms do you have to support, to call it portable?
> (I've always thought of "portable" code, in this context especially, as code that is kept open so it will fairly easily compile on any *nix/posix platform without too much drama. And I think that's a pretty universal understanding for *nix style code.)
>
> So, it seems you are tilting at windmills, complaining about Windows only.
>
> Yes, the fundamentals of Windows are *VERY* different than any Linux/Unix/Solaris etc based platform. As such, making it work across all those platforms is really quite a lot of work.
> (Making it work fine, even on the future supported platforms (*nix) isn't trivial - obviously adding Windows to the mix is far, far more!)
>
> And, it seems like no-one has stepped up to commit the $$$ needed to keep that support going.
> Even a cheap dev probably charges $100+ an hour. How many hours/dollars do you think, in aggregate, is committed to keeping Windows support? It's not going to be like buying a $3 app for your phone - since the market for Windows users is far smaller.
>
> And, I suspect, if we reach the end of the road for Windows support, and there's a half million users out there that want BIND supported on Windows, and they'll all pledge a buck a year, than I'd expect that Windows support will roll right out.
>
> But if instead there's 100 people willing to pledge even $100 a year, well I'd guess that's not likely to pay for it.
>
> ISC manages to pay the people who write code and do support through support contracts. Do you have one of those?
>
> So the last option is;
> You, or someone else to simply give away their time for free.
> You up for that?
> If you're not, or you don't have that skill set, then complaining bitterly seems a little hypocritical.
>
> ISC already releases a huge set of software that you almost certainly use every single day (DHCP server and clients, along with BIND) and they aren't charging you a dime for that use. They're not charging your ISP either, or a ton of other people. So, IMO, they've really done a ton of free work for the community already.
>
> But it seems like you think it's not enough.
>
> Sigh.
> What. Can. I. Say.
> ISC does a lot of really good work.
> IMO, this kind of a complaint is really misplaced.
>
> And to be clear, I won't engage in a bunch of back-and-forth arguing this position. You're welcome to agree or not.
> But *I* think you're obviously wrong, and I want everyone at ISC who does all that good work, developing great software that they let us use for free that I really appreciate their work.
>
> -Greg
>
>
>
> PC> What I find ironic is that here:
>
> PC> https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md <https://gitlab.isc.org/isc-projects/bind9/-/blob/main/README.md>
>
> PC> the very first line says:
>
> PC> "BIND (Berkeley Internet Name Domain) is a complete, highly portable
> PC> implementation of the Domain Name System (DNS) protocol."
>
> PC> If this were truly the case, BIND would work on Windows (or any other
> PC> platform that doesn't have a "u" in it's name) with minimal effort
> PC> and would not require specific funding to adapt it to any particular
> PC> platform.
>
> PC> Can we please have a realistic definition of what BIND is and what
> PC> it's objectives are?
>
> PC> I for one would be more likely to contribute to the development of
> PC> a non-platform-specific, portable BIND than a single-platform-specific
> PC> one.
>
> PC> On the other hand, if it has already been decided that BIND can only
> PC> realistically be implemented in the *u* arena and will rely on
> PC> facilities only available in this arena, then shouldn't this be stated
> PC> clearly instead of also declaring that it is highly portable?
>
> PC> Regards,
> PC> Peter Coghlan.
>
>
> >> Do you understand how ironic is for you to complain about “subscription is
> >> not going to happen” while **every** email on the mailing list has this
> >> note in the footer:
>
> >> ISC funds the development of this software with paid support subscriptions.
> >> Contact us at https://www.isc.org/contact/ <https://www.isc.org/contact/> for more information.
>
> >> --
> >> Ondřej Surý — ISC (He/Him)
>
> >> My working hours and your working hours may be different. Please do not feel obligated to reply outside your normal working hours.
>
> >>> On 4. 6. 2021, at 19:47, Peter via bind-users <bind-users at lists.isc.org <mailto:bind-users at lists.isc.org>> wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> On 04/06/2021 6:05 pm, John Thurston wrote:
>
> >>>>> On 6/4/2021 8:48 AM, Peter via bind-users wrote:
> >>>>> When people find out2024 is the year bind is no longer supported for
> >>>>> windows people aregoing to be upset this all seems to be done quietly
> >>>>> nothing posted on the the isc.org site about this just how many people
> >>>>> depend on bind for windows will be shocking.
>
> >>>> And griping about the decision on the mailing list is annoying.
>
> >>>> If you want to alter the decision, bring something new to the discussion. Funding to pay for the windows development team? Logistical support for the project?
>
> >>>> Anything constructive will be better received than repeating "I don't like your decision".
>
> >>> Yes John Thurston I said about a subscription here which I guess will not happen if they made up thier mind its likly no going to happen.
>
> >>> Deprecating BIND 9.18+ on Windows (or making it community improved and supported (isc.org)
>
>
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